Thrity Engineer is the creator of the Supercoherence system. This is certainly star-trek technology and Thrity, a pioneer. Until a series of events “in the space of two cataclysmic months” in 1990, her life was quite ordinary but “cannot be considered ordinary by any standards any more.” To walk a pioneer’s path is rarely a walk in the park, at least not when the trajectory changes and the person is not quite sure what is happening. Nothing has been the same ever again.
We talk to Thrity about her journey so far – how she took Patrick Richards’ invention, the Luminator, to another level, and the major transition nodes that ultimately led to the creation of a game-changing system, a gift to humanity that can help to break the cycles of suffering that many people currently find themselves in.
You had no money at one point and with what you had, you went and took a course.
That was madness.
You did not give up. You never gave up. How did you know it wasn’t time to tweak it or try something else.
You see, the thing is I’ve never had a job so I’m pretty unemployable. I do my own thing. My husband always supported me. I had a job for a short while early in my twenties and that was it. I’ve never had a job and I’ve never wanted a job. It’s not my thing.
How did you find the new doors to open when you were about to break?
I didn’t find them. I broke. When you break, in that way, when you go right down into the depths, despair, and all that, it was a new experience for me. I just went down and stayed depressed for about six months, with the TV. The TV kept me alive. I just didn’t want to talk to anybody. That was the first time. My first crisis.
What support did you have at that time?
The interesting thing was that, in my understanding, there was no support system, which was absolutely wrong and faulty thinking but at that time, it was exactly my thinking. That there was nobody to support me. I divorced my husband, a very sweet man, and I closed the door on my friends. So who was going to support me? I was in a foreign country. I wasn’t even in India, where I could go to my mom or something. It was a very very difficult time. But I did not go backwards.
The thing I would never never do before, because I was pretty proud, was I had to ask for help.
For me, that was the key thing. I said, please help me. I didn’t say it to anyone in particular. I just said it out loud. Because I couldn’t help myself at that time. There didn’t seem to be any options.
Today I would call it a change of trajectory. Your trajectory is being shifted by something much smarter than you at the level of the personality.
When I asked for help, that’s when the doors started opening, because I was open to receiving help, which I was not before. I was just struggling, and thinking there was no way out. Like I said I was pretty unemployable. The breaking down of my pride and saying please help me was the major key. And not go back into the past. I don’t have a great deal of self-pity, thank God. I don’t particularly feel sorry for myself.
In the 1995 Thrity met Patrick Richards, the American engineer who invented the Luminator and her life took a major change in direction. The Luminator creates a coherent field and in its presence, through Visual Reference of Image Coherence (VRIC) imaging using a simple Polaroid with the Polaroid 600 film, it is possible to see if a person is in a chaotic state of being or coherence. Initially using a protocol developed by Patrick, Thrity worked with clients to determine the source of the incoherence and then to resolve the issue using various frequencies such as Lumanetics, which are similar but not the same as homeopathics. In 2008, her first book Supercoherence: the 7th Sense was published and she was ready to take this system to the world.
And then you had another crisis point.
When I thought everything had fallen apart, in 2008, when Patrick passed away and Polaroid stopped making film, everything seemed to go into a crisis again. My understanding of that crisis was very different. That’s how I live my life today, from that perspective. That perspective is true for me, that the universe is benign, the universe is feeling, the universe is loving. It does not mean me harm.
For all of us, if you start examining your belief systems, and the Supercoherence Return To Love Frequencies (SRTLFs) allow you to do that in great depth and detail if you use them, is that they allow you to see the beliefs as they come up without feeling afraid of them or criticizing or categorizing them. We live from a bottom-line belief, whether the universe is benign or it is not, that it is random and chaos or not.
The first time my belief was why was I being punished, what had I done? Even though I could see all the foolish things I had done, I didn’t think I deserved that much punishment. Today I know this unconditionally, no matter what happens at the other levels, and what keeps me solid is this understanding. Whatever I see, I see through that filter.
Things can happen. I’m not saying it’s just honey and roses and whatever. That position is not something I would compromise. It is an unconditional position, no matter what.
This was not something you felt the first time.
Only looking backwards, into my life and what’s happened, into the supreme intelligence that has guided my life, I can recognize it. You can’t recognize it when the challenge is actually happening but once this belief has been integrated into your psyche, your soul or your cognition, then life becomes different, because everything is seen through those eyes.
Today I will be determining how I want to change that circumstance, whether it is painful, difficult, or challenging. I think that I must do something different. What shall I do? I don’t distrust it because I know it is more intelligent than I am, because I’ve had this guiding force through my life, which I didn’t know I had.
As you mentioned, you can’t see it in the moment and all you can do is remind yourself day in and day out that the universe is actually not a punisher. On your worst day, how did you get through it?
Whenever I am in trouble, I go to my favourite book and it says you are never alone. There is this great intelligence always holding you. Just because you don’t recognize it doesn’t mean it’s not doing it. At some point, you get this overwhelming sense of being absolutely loved, beyond your comprehension. I know that is the case. Even the gifts I have received, they are great gifts. What did I do to deserve them? Nothing, as far as I can see. I know that I am loved. You will realize it at some point and you will realize it not just in your head. You will realize it with every fibre of your being. You’ll just melt. You’ll cry. The tears will come rolling down and you’ll realize you have always been held and you have always been loved. And you will always be loved. Then the external reality assumes a different perspective. It’ll have a different tone and tenor.
Whenever you are feeling low, do not criticize yourself. There is a part of us that diminishes us. You shouldn’t, why haven’t you, so on and so forth. Don’t forget to ask for help.
The VRIC is non-ordinary images because the Luminator creates an altered field. This is not the field we usually exist in.
It allows access to other dimensional realities. It allows us to actually see and interact. Seeing is one thing but interacting is another thing. In a way, it allows us to see the internal universe of the human. It’s not like through the MRI or scanners or electron microscope where you can see the structure but you cannot see this emotional encodings that exists in the field of people’s responses to experiences. You can see these through VRIC imaging.
Other people also have the Luminator around the world, but no one is using it the way you are.
No, nobody. There are some people who use it for VRIC imaging. You see, I had training from Patrick. I did it exactly according to his protocol for the first one and half years [in the mid 1990s]. I only did what he taught me and Meher [Thrity’s daughter, a medical doctor]. After that, it was a totally different shift, because my clients taught me and because I have a psychoanalytical background from my early 20s. [Thrity had studied for eight years to become a psychoanalyst at that time.] Once I brought this into the imaging then the interesting thing started happening. We would see that the past is not gone, but very present now, and how to resolve it. The magic would unfold, as a result of that. All these protocols were developed in London, and not in the States.
From reading your books and hearing your story, it is amazing something like exists and not that many people know about it.
People ask me why don’t more people know it. I am one person. I’ve given 20 years of my life to this, and I will give the rest of my life to it. This is what I want to do. It’s what turns me on, what fascinates me, and what keeps me engaged. I can disengage very easily from things and ideas. This thing has kept me fascinating and captivated all these years, and I guess will continue to do so for the rest of this lifetime.
The thing is, it is what it is and people recognize it when they recognize it. I stopped thinking in what I call space-time terms – when will this happen, when will that happen. I don’t know when it will happen but I know I will be committed to it and I will continue to do the work with it.
You were an atheist, and now?
I was an atheist from when I was in my teens. With all the suffering, what is God doing? And so you walk away from it. The Luminator and the VRIC imaging taught me that this great intelligence is always present and that it exists everywhere. So no, I am not an atheist but neither am I a believer of a bearded old man in the sky. I absolutely know there is another intelligence in the universe, that the universe is intelligent, and benign, and loving.
Some people who are very angry and bent on making others suffer, and it comes from a place of hurt…where is that intelligence? Are they blocking it?
They are disconnected. The imaging showed us that. In one sense, you can never be disconnected.
When you are disconnected, a whole different trajectory follows, which is what we call a cycle of suffering. The male and the female energies on earth have not been balanced for many thousands of years, because the male energy has been predominant and the female energy has been devalued. You cannot do that. These are two parts of the whole. It’s only when they come into balance that everything will be different.
We call it cycles of suffering and it is our collective suffering being shown and being expressed by whoever these people are who do these things. It’s not only theirs; it’s ours as well. It’s the collective suffering from disconnection, that’s my understanding.
Does that mean humans are at the core innately a coherent field?
Yes, at the very core. Absolutely. Remember the disconnection.
We absolutely know the human is intelligent. How can we not know that? Your 40, 50 trillion cells or whatever science says it is in the human body are talking to one another, creating change and function at every level. There is an intelligence that’s doing that.
So when we talk about the two disparate intelligence, they both exist in the same human. The disconnection is between these two intelligence. The personality and all that has happened to it. The perceptions and the faulty belief systems. That came about because of the disconnection. The Luminator and VRIC allow us to dialog with that extreme intelligence. That is the major breakthrough. To see, interact, and restore the human to the source codes, which is the intelligence, and order, and harmony. The universe and we are one. We are not separate from it. It appears separate in this physical dimension, but that’s not the only dimension. That’s faulty thinking and we’ve been doing that for a long time. This other dimension operates by very different rules.
We can call it MRI of the soul because in a sense, that’s what it is. It’s every bit as detailed as a MRI but goes far further and deeper. It’s very difficult to access these levels otherwise, where the experiences are recorded.
When we become more connected, or more consciously connected, and live from the zero field, we can affect the collective.
Absolutely. The thing that differentiates this system from others is a very important point. If you look at, say the Indian or the Chinese or the Tibetan wisdom tradition, they talk about meditating for years. In the Hindu traditions, it’s thousands of years the soul has meditated to realize who we are in the larger, cosmic context. They have access to this understanding but the effort and the time it took was phenomenal. When the Luminator came, it was the beginning of another trajectory for humanity.
Also with the SRTLFs, that became available to every human being, simply for the asking, in a manner that is unprecedented in human history. That is why I rate this system the way I do. I’m only a player in the game. It’s not a personal thing. I don’t think I was a very smart woman who did all this. I was given the help and I did my job. When I look at it from the outside and I see what it is, I know what a major thing this is for humanity.
The Christian Church believes that humans sinned and everything now is atoning for that sin and in eastern philosophy, there is reincarnation and the law of karma and we are here to learn. With Supercoherence, what is the core message and lesson?
The main lesson in Supercoherence is that there is love and grace and non-judgment and this other level which exists in all of us and can be activated and reconnected. The struggle is there sometimes to test you, because how do you discover you are courageous unless you are afraid? How can you describe yourself as tolerant when there is nothing to be intolerant about? The mistake is to think they are there to punish us. Say in my own case, the first time around in 1990 when everything went haywire, was that a gift or was that a punishment? It’s a big question.
I don’t think anything is punishment, though sometimes it feels like it.
It does feel like it because we have old programming. We have been punishing people and putting them in prison, killing them, you know the whole thing about crime and punishment. It’s a belief system and it’s everywhere.
What do you see as the next step?
The frequencies are very powerful tools and I know what they do. For me the next step is what I call conscious coherence.
These frequencies are awareness tools and they will sharpen your awareness without any question. They are tools of grace. You don’t have to do a lot of work. All you have to do is hold them, keep them, and use them. In that sense, there is not a lot of effort. The effort is in other ways because your life will face you differently and your trajectory will be different. But it is not a conscious process. Things happen at the level of the field.
What I want to do is to have to the conscious coherence program where you deepen your awareness consciously and then transform your life. That’s a deep reprogramming of the human system. Seeing your own programming, and becoming a witness.
It is not always easy to see the programming.
That’s the whole point. It is very hard to see. Because it is yours. If you are born drunk, you won’t know what sober is, but if you get sober, you will always know what drunk is. First you have to get to sobriety to see the drunkenness, in our own programming, in our interaction, in our subconscious. It is very heavy-duty programming.
What I would say is that you have to know your weak points too. You are only as strong as your weakest point. You are not as strong as your strongest point. Not knowing your weak points is an exercise in disaster, because you are building a house of cards or you are building on sand. On a day-to-day basis we need to see our programming. If you don’t see your own programming, you’ll be blind to it.
Seeing it without criticism and without judgment is a very important part. How you do your emotional homework is a very important part. Not to do this is incomplete.
What do you mean by emotional homework?
Learning how to handle emotional energy properly, without throwing it around with blame, and all the nonsense that people do. It’s a very powerful form of energy and a very precious form. It’s the road to ecstasy. It’s the road to heaven. It’s the road to joy. Humans have misused it for a long time. Handling this energy is an important key and it needs to be made important.
Know on the one hand you are this magnificent supreme intelligence and then there is this other aspect that does not understand that and creates havoc. You have to bring them together. The SRTLFs will help you to do that, because they create oneness. What you’ll get with SRTLFs is a sense of deep calm. It’ll be unshakeable.
You speak of recognizing the extraordinary.
For me what has worked is that I have this sense of the extraordinary. It’s an internal marker. It’s a feeling of excitement. Any major decision I have taken in my life has come from that feeling place. I don’t dissect it. It cannot be dissected. It is totally unreasonable.
When I first heard of the Luminator [at that Bio-Acoustic Sound practitioners conference] and it didn’t have a name or anything, I just felt this huge excitement. When I heard over the phone what it did, again that sense of extreme heightened excitement so I followed that and I’ve done it for several things in my life, including when I took up aura photography. [In 1992, Thrity was one of the first people in the United Kingdom to do aura photography or biofeedback imaging which sparked her interested in “technologies of consciousness.] It comes out of the blue and it’s a shock to the system.
Many people may have an inkling but they don’t follow through, or they distrust it or they doubt it. The thing is you have to actually honour that feeling, and act on it. It’s not just about curiosity or a sense of wonder. When I saw my husband for the first time across the room, I felt the same thing. Now I understand what it is. It’s a resonance and a recognition. I’m fortunate or unfortunate that it is so strong that I cannot negate it. All the greatest gifts in my life have come that way, this internal frame of reference which is so powerful.
The Supercoherence system shows us that there is another way of being. For a long time, people have bought into beliefs grounded in linearity – that if only we work hard we will be successful or that for one person to “win” another must lose” and part and parcel of this paradigm is the very embedded idea that we must learn and grow through struggle and pain. Working with the Supercoherence tools is remembering and living from grace. These tools can and do change the trajectory of our lives and it is up to us to consciously transform our lives and trust that we are held by something bigger than we are, on the personality level.